Jeanette Weiss & Emanuel Goldberg ~ 1930
Jeanette Weiss & Emanuel Goldberg ~ 1930
In my last posting I wrote about Phillip (Pacey) Weiss (1885 – 1961) who married Sarah Meiselman (1889 – 1965) November 4, 1909, Brooklyn, N.Y. They both had long lives passing within a few years of each other in Chicago, Ill. They were the parents of three children Jeanette (1907 – 1988) , Rachel (1910 – 1913) and Seymour Louis 1916 – 1998) .
Phillip was the brother to Pauline (Polly) and Rose/Rosie Weiss.
In this posting I am concentrating on Rosie Weiss born December 24, 1890, Romania to Samuel Leib Weiss and Mariam (Mary) Shwartz.
Rosie left Romania and immigrated to New York. I have not been able to find any immigration record for her but according to the NY 1910,1920, and 1930 census, they all report a 1903 immigration year which would make her about 13 years old when she traveled.
Rosie Levin nee Weiss
Rosie met William Levin who was born April 5, 1883, Russia. His parents were Abraham Levin and Anna Cohen. Using familysearch.com, I was able to confirm his parents names along with his death date of June 30, 1948, buried July 1.
On October 30, 1909, Rosie Weiss married William Levin in Brooklyn, New York.
Here is another more casual photo of Rosie and William. I love her little sassy pose with her hand behind her, casually off of her hip.
A google search for Washington Hall, 93 Thatford Ave led me to the Brooklyn Daily Eagle Almanac with a notation under Labor Unions and Organizations and under the sub heading of Textile and Clothing Trades was Washington Hall at the 93 address.
It most certainly had to have been a grand affair, with an evening wedding at 7pm, William in his top hat and tails and Rosie so beautiful in her gorgeous gown with cascading veil off of the fabulous head piece.
But more important to note is Mrs. Mary Weiss, mother of Rosie on the wedding invitation. This certainly indicates her husband Samuel Leib Weiss was deceased and that she was present in New York at the time of her daughters wedding. Family states that Rosie traveled here with her mother. I have not been able to confirm this.
A hint on the invitation was the brides address listed at 46 Lynch St. I did a quick check for the address but unfortunately the building has been torn down. If Mary was truly here perhaps Rosie was living with her mother at this address. I still have not been able to find any record for Mary/Miriam living here, nor have I been able to find where she is buried. Her death date is March 6, 1921 and in my previous post I had shared her gravestone photo. The question as to who is standing by the grave is still in question. It was shared with us by the great granddaughter of Phillip Weiss and Sarah Meiselman. At this time the my thoughts are that this is Rosie by her mothers grave.
Continuing with the William and Rosie, their first home was at 61 Hopkins Street, Brooklyn, NY. The 1910 census has William (26) working as a house painter. He had arrived in 1890 and it says he was naturalized. Rosie was listed as 23, and living with them was lodger, Mamie Portland (30), working as a laundress in a laundry. Rosie’s age seems to be an error as a birth year of 1890 made her 19 when married and 20 in 1910.
On August 25, 1910 William and Rosie welcomed their first son Samuel.
I could not locate the family in the 1915 census but located William’s WWI 1918 draft registration. William’s birth date is recorded as April 5, 1883, Rose is listed as his wife and they were living at 339 Central Ave., Brooklyn. His employer was M. Kamenstein @ 135 Pearl St. Brooklyn. Also noted on this record is that William was naturalized on his fathers papers.
WWI Draft Registration William Levin
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918AuthorAncestry.com
A year later in 1919 William and Rosie welcomed their second son Norman on April 20th.
Still working as a house painter, William moved his family to 2860 West Sixth Street, they were renting. Interesting on this census was that Rosie was listed as naturalized . Does this mean it was on her own account since William was on his fathers papers, as seen on the WWI document. I could not locate her naturalization record under Rose or Rosie Weiss or Levin.
I do believe I located the ‘Declaration Of Intention’ papers for William. I am not sure what to make of the fact the WWI record said he was under his fathers papers, when this appears to be his record. Lots of interesting information on this but mistakes too. The date on this 1906. His age says 21, with an 1889 birth year. If that were so, it should be 1885. The birth information conflicts with the WWI record but the fact it says his occupation was painter led me to believe this was his record. (I could be wrong) It says he was born in Minsk and last know residence was Ekateriuoslaw, Russia which today is the Ukraine. You can google this read the history. I love that this record has his signature.
Declaration Of Intention
New York, State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1794-1929 Ancestry.com
In 1922 they welcomed their 3rd and last child, a daughter named Marion/Marian and by 1925 they had moved again. Located on the 1925 census under the spelling of Levine, they were now at 2910 W. 36th St between Surf and Mermaid. William’s occupation was listed as tailor which I am sure was a mistake as the 1930 census had him as a painter again. I am sure this was the correct family as all three children were listed, Samuel, Norman and Marion.
Willam with Marion
The 1930 census showed another move to 2917 W. 20th Street. (In my research I have come across many moves for families turning these early years but for some reason this time I am feeling like they really bounced around quite a bit and I can’t help but wonder why) William (44) was renting the place for $60. Under attended school, it says no and yes to able to read and write. Under language, yiddish and yes to speaking English. Under occupation it said painter but this time “own” Under Veteran it said no, so he must not have served in WWI, only registered. Samuel (20) was still at home and working as a painter with Norman (11) and Marion (7)
From the 1940 census William (56) and Rosie (50) had moved his family once again. The census notes home in 1935 which showed they had moved to the 2868 W. 29th St. address by ’35. Both Samuel (29) and Norman (20) were working as house painters along with their father. Marion (17) was still home.
Marion and Mom Rosie
William and Rosie Levin
If you look very carefully into the car you will see two other people, a child in the middle with a man next to him.
Rosie Levin passed away on February 17, 1946 at the age of 55.
William made one more move that I confirmed with the death information from familysearch.com. It lists his address at the time of death as 2824 W. 30th St. Brooklyn.
William passed away on June 30, 1948. Both are buried at Mount Hebron Cemetery in Queens, New York. A check of the grave sites show that they are buried next each other. (R 81-5-6-17 and W 81-5-6-20) The photo is from FindAGrave.
* A check for Rosie’s mother Mariam Weiss yield no record for her at Mount Hebron with her daughter and son-in-law.
Thank you to the Brian Morris and Bass families for so graciously sharing their amazing family photos.
Rosie Weiss & William Levin ~ Courtesy Brian Morris Family
Rochelle Haimowitz & Glbert Steinman ~ 1966
Stanley Rich & Ethel Seltzer ~ 1932
For Wordless Wednesday last week I shared the beautiful photo of Stanley Rich and his bride Ethel (Ettie) Seltzer.
Stanley and Ethel are the parents of my adopting mother’s sister-in-law Sandra. Married to my mother’s stepbrother Ken, they are two very special people in my life.
Stanley was born 29 December, 1907, in the Rosebank area of Staten Island, New York to Isidor Rich (1886 Russia) and Sophie Ritwe (1889 Russia)
Known as Stanley, he was originally named Shem but on all census records up until his marriage and the 1940 census he was listed under the name Samuel. He was the first born of 5 children Isidor and Sophie.
Ethel was the daughter of Morris Seltzer and Rose Benowitz. She was born 30 September, 1910, in New York City. Ethel, known as Ettie, was also the first born of 8 children of Morris and Rose.
Spending a little time researching Ethel’s parents, Morris’s WWII draft registration (1942) stated he was born on 20 October, 1890 Keshinev, Russia. I was able to confirm this was the correct Morris Seltzer, by the address listed at 787 Linwood St. Brooklyn, working for the Excel Blouse company. His wife was listed as Rose. (there were 3 other families named Morris and Rose Seltzer in the same time period so identifying the correct family was done by the children names and then the address)
Morris and Rose were the parents of Ethel, Eva, Harry, Anna, Joseph, Bertha, Gloria, and Bernie.
I first located Morris and Rose in 1910 living at 30 -32 Stanton St, NYC. Morris was working as a presser in cloak factory. Following quite a few clues and then backtracking in my research, living in the same building but counted as a separate household in the building, was Morris’s parents Israel and Brinah Seltzer. Both listed as 57 years old, Israel was working as an operator in a fur factory. Living with Israel and Brinah were nephews Harry Tellis 27, presser, cloak factory, Morris Coopersmith 38, presser skirt factory and Louis (transcribed Geller) 23, working in a jacket factory. There was an Annie Tellis 23, listed as a lodger living with Dorn/Dom family next to them. Annie was also working in the fur industry.
By 1915 Israel and Brinah/Brina had relocated to 93 1/2 Christopher St. in Brooklyn with Israel still working in the fur industry – listed furrier now. Living separately in the same house and listed as ‘Head’ were Jacob Coopersmith 50, his wife Molly 38, and son Harry 14. Although listed with the first name of Jacob now, I believe this could actually be Morris Coopersmith mention on the 1910 c. Morris was listed as married and for 18 years.
I could not find a census record for Morris Seltzer, Ethel’s family, in 1915 but picked him up again in 1920.
In 1920 the family was listed with the spelling/transcribed Feltz. It is a difficult census to read but it is clearly Seltzer confirmed with parents Israel and Brian living with them. The home was at 21 Hinsdale, Brooklyn, this census revealed quite a bit about the family. Morris owns the home with a mortgage, his papers for naturalizing had been submitted, he was the proprietor of cloak factory, employer. Both of his parents were listed living in the home, and at 70 years old Israel was still working as a furrier, employer.
Living next door to Morris and Rose with his family, was Philip Seltzer, 43, his wife Ida and 4 children. Philip was working as an operator in a cloak factory and I feel safe to assume it was in Morris’s factory. The question became who exactly was Philip Seltzer? Philip arrived in 1894 and naturalized in 1905 according to this census. It placed him here 11 years ahead of Morris and his parents. With just a little research and checking with others researching this family it was clear Philip was another son of Israel and Brinah, Morris’s brother. In addition, from continued research I learned Morris Coopersmith, above, was the husband of Molly Seltzer, sister of Morris and Philip.
1927 saw the death of Brinah Seltzer followed by Israel in March of 1930.
The census for 1930 was recorded in April and Morris had relocated his family to 601 Pine St., Brooklyn from the Hinsdale house. No longer a home owner, Morris was paying $50 for the rent of this home. He was listed as an employee working as a tailor – dresses, no longer with is own business. Brother Philip, now living at 783 Linwood, Brooklyn, owned the home valued at 15,000. He was still employed as an operator in ladies ‘coats’. For me, the question became, had Morris sold both his business and home or had he lost them. The times were the great depression 1929 – 1933. In an attempt to discover what may have happened I turned to newspapers.com
Not able to find anything that specifically linked to Morris I did find a mention against Ida Seltzer widow of Philip (Fischel aka Leon Seltzer) It was a legal notice in The Times Union (Brooklyn, New York) . 08 Nov 1935, Fri . page 19 Brought against her by the Lincoln Saving Bank for the sale of the home on Linwood St. at auction. (Philip had passed away in 1934 at the age of 57, Ida would pass in Nov 1936, a year after the loss of the home)
I was surprised to find Morris and Rose living at 787 Linwood St. in 1940. They were next to the home lost at 783 Linwood St. Daughter Anne, married, was living with her husband Murray Moskowitz with her parents. The home was rented for $53. The census indicates they were there in 1935. Morris was a contractor in ladies sports wear working on his own account.
From Google here is a view of both 783 and 787. On the far left is 783 with a basement apt address 781, the home by alley 785 and address was clear 787 on the building with the arched doorway.
I have taken quite a detour from the posting of the wedding photo of Stanley Rich and Ethel Seltzer. They married at a time of great hardship for so many families. The great depression was in full swing. Their’s did not escape from the little I learned. I did not look into Stanley’s family and will save that for another posting.
Taking another small detour, I wanted to share a book that was written by my Aunt Sandy. Having received it as a gift from her back in 2000, read and put on the shelf for the last 20 years, I was so surprised to see who she had written about, our beautiful Ethel (Ettie) Seltzer. I will be rereading this with new eyes, understanding and appreciation for Ettie, her life and her story. If you have young readers on your gift list you may want to take a look for this wonderful family story 🙂
Stanley Rich & Ethel Seltzer
Dec 25th, 1932 Brooklyn, New York
Grace Judith Brown nee Tanner