Posted in Ancestry, Brooklyn, Genealogy, Haimowitz, Hyamovitch, Jewish History, New York, Shwartz, Weiss

The Family of Samuel Leib Weiss and Mariam (Mary) Shwartz

Pauline (Polly) Hyamovitch nee Weiss was the wife of my 2x great Uncle, Marks Hyamovitch, brother to my great grandfather Samuel Haimowitz.

Her parents were Samuel (Shmuel) Leib Weiss and Mary (Miriam) Shwartz 

I have written quite a bit about Polly and Marks family in the last year or so. I have been part of a continuing email share between cousin’s both in the US and England,  corresponding on this Weiss family branch. This will be one of my first attempts at documenting their story.

Believed to be a photo of Samuel (Shmuel) Leib Weiss and Mary (Mariam) Shwartz (Shwarz or Sch) they were the parents of Polly, Phillip, and Rose/Rosie

WeissPhoto copy   Photo Curtesy of Brian Morris & Family

A recent photo confirmed and gave us the exact date of death for Mariam who passed 6 March 1921 and helped confirm her year of birth of 1853. Her place of death has still not been determined. It is believed she died in Brooklyn, New York where she was living by her daughter. I have not been able to find any census records for her, nor a record for her death using both Ancestry and  Familysearch as well as checking Newspapers.com and Genealogybank. An exhaustive search of all cemeteries has not been done.

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Believed to be daughter Rose standing by her mother’s grave; according to one family member named Marie, she has shared that Mariam went to America with her daughter Rose. Also note spelling of Mariam on the gravestone which I feel is her correct spelling as opposed to Miriam and perhaps a clue to the reason she went by Mary. 

Samuel and Mary’s children were Polly Weiss b. 1882, Romania, Philip Weiss b. 18 Apr. 1885, Romania, and Rose b. 24 Dec., 1890, Romania. (Another researcher of this family has included a son named Michael with no supporting evidence but I wanted to include his name for this posting)

Polly and her husband Marks Hyamovitch immigrated from Romania to England in 1900 however siblings Phillip and Rose both immigrated to the United States. It is their stories I would like to concentrate on.

Philip Weiss also known as Pacey, immigrated to New York arriving on Sept. 30, 1902 aboard the La Gascogne. He was 18 years old and traveling under his Hebrew name of I/Edel Pesech/esach Weiss.

On the passenger record found on Ancestry, I noticed that below Idel (Philip) was ‘Schwarz, Beile’, the maiden name of his mother Mary (we are spelling Shwartz) Could they be traveling together and be related? In the cut outs from the passenger list below, the 2nd photo shows who they were traveling too. Philip to his Uncle M. Schwarz, I think that is 610 Delancy St. and Beile is going to her brother (can’t read) c/o Moish (?) Moses (?) Schwarz 58 Allen St. The question here is who is this Beile? a cousin?  She would not be Philips sister Rose because Rose was 5 years younger than him.

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Is Phillip traveling to the brother of his mother Mary (Mariam) adding another clue into the Shwartz family.

Philip married a few years after arriving to Sarah Meiselman (1889) daughter of Kalman Meiselman and Celia Eisenblat. They were married on November 4, 1906. Sarah was 17 and Philip 21. (Wedding and subsequent photo’s shared with permission by the original posters on Ancestry)

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Their first child was a daughter, Jeanette (Jean) b. 29 Oct. 1907, N.Y.

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followed by Rachel on May 31, 1910, Brooklyn, N.Y.. Sadly Rachel passed away 3 short years later on Mar 3, 1913 in Chicago, Ill.

Death Certificate Rachel Weiss

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This document gives a great clue to as when the family left Brooklyn, N.Y. and relocated to Chicago, Ill. It indicates Rachel had only been a resident for 6 months which would have the family moving about Oct. 1912.

As the family settled into their new lives in Chicago, son Seymour Louis was born Apr. 18, 1916.

Phillip registered for the WWI draft on September 12, 1918. His address is listed as 830 W. 14th St. He listed his occupation as peddler – for self.

PhilipWeissWWIAncestry.com World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918

By 1920 census they were still living at the 830 W. 14th St. address and Philip noted his occupation now as ‘fruit’ peddler. I could not find any records to confirm whether he actually served in the military.

In 1921 his Mother Mary passed leaving me to wonder if, in fact she was living in Brooklyn. Would Phillip have returned to N.Y. to attend the funeral or a year later for the unveiling of her headstone? Would he have been able to afford this on a fruit peddlers salary?

Written as “Edel Paskel (Phillip Weiss)” Phillip naturalized on June 18, 1925

PhillipWeissNat'lIndex Ancestry.com U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)

 

1930 saw a change of address with the family living now at 3148 Douglas Blvd, Chicago. Phillip (48) listed his occupation as proprietor fruit store. It was nice to see that he had moved from peddler to actually having a fruit store. Daughter Jeanette (22) was now working as a stenographer in a handkerchief company. Sarah (42) was home along with  Seymour (14). But also living at the 3148 Douglas address was Sedelle Weiss (25) as head, working as a typist in a factory, listed as mother to head was a Rose Weiss (45) widow, and living with them was boarder Meyer Eckskan (30) proprietor dry good store. (this opens another rabbit hole which I am not ready to go down)

On June 17, 1930 Jeanette married Emanuel (Manny) Goldberg in Chicago. They would go on to have 2 children.

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  • Jeanette looks like a glamorous film store in the photo to me

March 24, 1937 Seymour married Celia Toby Horow/vitz also in Chicago and they too had two children.

By 1940 both of Phillip and Sarah’s children had married and they we’re now living on their own at 3426 Douglas. Both of them were working, Philip as a salesman and Sarah as a saleslady. It was impossible to decipher what industry from the census, but by then they were grandparents to 2 children born to Jeanette and Manny.

WWII Draft registration Phillip Weiss April 27, 1942

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Phillip Weiss WWII-2Ancestry.com U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942

The WWII draft registration reveals a few things. We have his signature along with how he is spelling his first name, with 2 L’s. He was quite short at 5’2″ and stocky at 192lbs and he is in business, his own, selling handkerchiefs now. If that seems familiar, back in 1930, his daughter Jeanette was working as a stenographer in a handkerchief company.

Phillip passed away on August 3, 1961 and Sarah followed on December 27, 1965.

Death Certificate Phillip Weiss

Phillip Weiss death certificate

Both Phillip and Sarah are buried at the Jewish Roman Section of the Waldheim Cemetery Forest Park, Ill. (I did check Waldheim for mother Mariam but she was not there)

Phillip Weiss headstone

 

Sarah Weiss headstone

In the next posting I will share what I know about Phillip’s sister Rose Levin nee Weiss.

Before I close I would like to add one more record for Mariam Weiss. A possible immigration record for her. First I located on Ancestry a passenger list for detained passengers traveling on the SS Batavia arriving on November 18, 1905. Spelled Mariem Weiss, 43 years of age, reason for detention simply states Dr. Memo with no details. Not able to find anything else for her I went over to Ellis Island to search the records there.

There I found, SS Batavia arriving the same date, transcribed as Marpin for Mariam Weiss age 50 traveling to her husband Libe Weiss in Chicago, Ill. and next to her name is written Dr. Memo: Senility. traveling with her was a male, 9 years, Yankel possibly Shermann (?) He is traveling to his Uncle but what is really interesting is that also noted is the name Malke Schwarz, c/o above, which would be Libe Weiss

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At this point I am not quite sure what to make of this. Is this the right family? The year was 1905, and we know Phillip did not move to Chicago until 1913. But had there been this Chicago connection prior which brought him there? I do not have immigration records for daughter Rose, who Mariam was supposedly traveling to or with. The 1910 census says that daughter Rose arrived in 1903. This brings up a lot of possibilities. The possibility of the family being in Chicago and then going back to New York. The possibility that Samuel Lieb died in Chicago, and then widowed Mariam went to N.Y. where daughter Rose was which would explain only Mariam’s name on the Rose’s wedding invitation (which I will share/explore in the next post) There is quite a lot to still be discovered, still a lot of questions and lots of unknowns.

 

 

 

 

Posted in Ancestry, Genealogy, Haimowitz, Hyamovitch, Romania

Samuel Haimowitz and the Missing Immigration Records Update

In my last post I wrote about my continuing search for the missing immigration papers for my great grandfather Samuel, his wife Rebecca and their two sons, Hyman and Pincus. With many questions left open as to when they traveled, who exactly traveled and or who traveled together, I wanted to update with information provided by my cousin Arline. I threw out a life line asking for information and help and she came through.

“Read your recent email and here’s what I remember.  My grandfather was a carpenter in Romania and he had money as that was a prestigious profession.  I was told he came to America to escape the Russian draft.  At that time if you were Jewish and drafted, you went to Siberia.  I was also told he came to this country via Ellis Island with my grandmother and two sons Herman and Paul.  Both Herman and Paul were born in Romania and I think that maybe there were 3 years or so between their ages.  Paul was not born aboard ship.”

The birth date for first born son Hyman/Herman is 22 Sept 1898 and for Pincus/Paul,  3 June 1901, with it listed as 1902 on his death certificate. That year of birth was provided by his daughter and she may not have known for sure. I am using 1901 as the confirmed birth year as that is what is written on his official documents.

With the earliest census record of 1905 for the family taken in June, I will continue to hunt for their immigration record for the years 1901 – 1905 and as a family of 4 coming over together.

Samuels age for immigration is not consistent on his records with the ages 21 – 28 years for arrival. Wife Rebecca’s age is shown as being between 21 – 25 years of age on arrival.

*I have thrown out the year of 1896 for arrival (as seen on the 1930c)

Thank you to my cousin Arline for always being so willing to jump in and help when she can 🙂 It’s is always appreciated.

Posted in Ancestry, Census, Galati, Genealogy, Haimowitz, Hyamovitch, New York, Romania, Srulowitz

Samuel Haimowitz and the Missing Immigration Records

Locating the immigration record for my great grandfather Samuel Haimowitz feels hopeless at times. Am I making progress or just going over the same old records aimlessly?

I have been trying to locate his immigration record for years now with no success. Family lore recounts that he immigrated with his wife Rebecca along with his son Hyman, 2/3 and infant son Pincus, who may have been born aboard ship. Whether that is true, whether they traveled together has not been proved. In an attempt to recap and revisit and possibly discover something I have missed I am sharing what I know and welcome all suggestions, ideas and help 🙂

Before I go further I want to establish the birth date that I am using for Samuel. It is 15 March 1875. This date comes from his WWI draft registration and from his S.S. application.

005264774_03548Last name written as Himowitz above.

SamHaimowitzSSCardNote his handwriting for his last name.

My earliest record for the family is the 1905 c, spelled Heimowitz, Samuel (28) b. 1877, Romania, Rebecca (25) b. 1880, Romania, son Hyman (8) b. 1898, Romania, Pincus (3)  b. 1902, U.S., Freda (1) living @ 170 Ludlow, NYC. Samuel’s profession was carpenter and Hyman was attending school.

I believe the two records below for petition for citizenship is for my Samuel Haimowitz.  Dated Sept. 24th, 1906, his age was listed as 30 with a birth year of 1876. I have identified this as ‘his’ papers by the occupation listed as Carpenter and the arrival date of 1901 which seems to be the most consistent with the other data found.  Since I could find no other Haimowitz or similar name with occupation of carpenter, this led me to believe that this is for him.

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His arrival date was recorded as ‘on or around’ 12 February 1901, no ship name was given and the spelling of his last name was Haimovich. This interests me as his brother, Marks, who settled in England spelled his name Hyamovitch. Discussions with family in England has included the difference in spelling of the last name and which might have been the original family spelling. Having recorded on this official document the ‘vich’ sound ending, I am leaning towards the England branch spelling being the more original.

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The above 2nd document for Samuels petition for citizenship has a date of 19 February 1904 the name Sam Hymovich, arriving the 12 February 1901, address of 102 Allen St., born in the year 1876. His age was listed as 28. The dates and ages are consistent with the first document. While the name is spelt differently, the arrival day the same, leads me to believe it is the same person. Notice his signature is ‘his mark’ and someone else has spelled the name/written it as Hymovich. The other is 2 year later and it appears he is able to sign his name.

*I have to stop here and report that there are numerous Samuels with birth dates all within a 10 year period along with a variety of spellings. There is another Sam Hymovich born 1877, Russia. I have ruled him out for the above record not belonging to him based on the country of birth and actually locating his naturalization records for the year 1933 along with his wife

Using both the Ellis Island search site, Ancestry, and family search, countless times, using as many spellings and wild cards, more combinations I can think of, I can not find a listing for arrival in 1901, from 1998 – 1905, I can not find any family or single person traveling that could match this family. Using One Step Pages by Stephen Morse, I have identified a number of possible ships arriving the 11th – 13th but that Feb. 12 date could really be outside that box all together. Ships arriving then were the Kaiser Maria Theresia, Havana, Umbria, Potsdam, Tartar Prince & the Capri.  Identifying all these dates and ships on FHL Roll 1403921, I haven’t pursued this further. 

Before going further I can not settle whether Pincus/Paul was born on board ship but I think I can settle the question of whether Pincus/Paul was born in the US or in Romania. All of the census records differ with where he was born and his death certificate says New York, with the information given by the informant, his daughter Annette which could be wrong information. His marriage certificate, S.S. application states, Romania, Galatz. I am going with his Romania as this information was provided by Pincus/Paul himself on official documents. I have no birth certificate for him.

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Now if the family arrived on 12 February 1901 and the birth date on the s.s. applications says  3 June, 1901 there is a conflict. In addition notice the date of birth on the death certificate, 3 June 1902, that is after the 1901 arrival as well.

The original quest or question is the location of the immigration records for Samuel, Rebecca, Hyman and Pincus. Believed traveling together, with no records yet found. My thought was establishing where Paul was born could help me find the family traveling. Was I looking for 4 people or 3? Was I look for Samuel alone and Rebecca with 1 or 2 children?

Let me look at the census information.

The 1910c changes a few of the facts and supports the story that Pincus was born either in Romania or Romania waters, on board ship, as his place of birth was listed as Romania and not U.S. as in the 1905c. The family was then living at 228 E. 99th St, NYC.  The immigration year was recorded as 1901 for all 4 of the family, Samuel, Rebecca, Hyman & Pincus. Hyman (10) and Pincus (9).  Freda, now under Fannie was 6 and my grandfather Isidore 4, had been born.

My favorite photo shared with me by my cousin Arline

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Hyman (Herman) Pincus (Paul) Isidore & Freda (Fay) Haimowitz

By 1915 the family had moved again living @ 316 100th St, NYC, Pincus (14)  listed born U.S.. Samuel, Rebecca and Hyman still Romania. Daughter Mollie (4), has joined the family and Sam Shapiro (43) born Russia, cigar maker, was boarding with the them.

Which brings us to 1920 records and the immigration year was listed 1900 for Samuel Rebecca and Pincus, now using Paul (18), was listed as being born in Romania. Samuel’s naturalization year was listed as 1909 with Rebecca and Paul both identified as naturalized also 1909.  If they immigrated in 1900, it appears Paul would not have been born or traveling with them.

Taking a quick glance over at son Hyman in 1920, now going by Herman (21), he was married to Sadie Cantor (20) with an infant son named Harold. His immigration year was noted as 1901 and naturalized 1910. Hermans date of birth, as noted on his WWI draft registration was 22 Sept 1898, Romania. I could not locate a naturalization for Herman or under Hyman. I tried Ancestry, familysearch and Fold3.

1925 c  doesn’t give much information but what it did repeat was Romania for place of birth for Paul but if you look under citizenship Samuel, Rebecca and Paul was marked “a” for alien and not C for citizen. see below

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1930 c really threw me.  Sam and Rebecca, both in their 50’s, said the immigration year was 1896 and that they were both naturalized. Checking on Paul, now married to Ida Taub and living on their own, his place of birth was listed New York again and checking on Herman, his information has the immigration year as 1902 and naturalized.

Wrapping up with the 1940 c which simply says whether naturalized and gives no date of arrival. Samuels says Romania, Na, Hermans says Romania and is coded 4 which is American Citizen born abroad and Pauls says Romania, Na. I have yet to find any naturalization papers for Herman or Paul nor the final papers for Samuel which may show that Herman and Paul naturalized under their father which I suspect was the case and may give additional immigration information.

When did this family arrive in the states? Did they travel together? Did Samuel arrive first and then Rebecca and the children? Where did they depart from? Had they traveled first to England with his brother Marks and his wife Polly and leave from there?

I have asked these questions before, and scoured the records countless times and still have not found any answers.

The only thing I can add is I have had fun trying and as long as I am having fun I will continue to try and track down the answers to these questions.

Posted in Ancestry, Census, Genealogy, Haimowitz, Hyamovitch, Iasi, Jewish History, London

Marks Hyamovitch Revisited & Tracked

Marks Hyamovitch, my 2nd great Uncle, was born May 1880, in Iasi, Romania, and immigrated to London, England in 1900, at the age of 20 with his wife Polly (Weiss). Using all the records I could find for them, I wanted to outline a basic time line of where they lived during their life.

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The census took place every 10 years. The first attempt at a census was in 1801 with very few records that still exist. I started with the 1901 census and was unable to find any listing for Marks and Polly, trying numerous combinations of the spelling for the last name.

The first record available was the 1911 census. Marks, 30 and Polly 29, was living at 14 Denmark Street. The civil parish and registration district was St George in the East, London England. (I am totally unfamiliar with England and the way the city is laid out) Living with them was son Samuel (8), Hyman (7), Phillip (4), Jack (3) and 2 boarders, John  with last name left blank ?, (33), coffee roaster and Jane Schwartz (20) ladies work and in (Feller Hand)

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Using google maps, as best as I can tell this red building  is the one listed as 14 Denmark St., where they were living in 1911.

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1921 census was just a place of work and industry listing and if a marriage was dissolved for divorce.

1921 ~ Limehouse District (record for death of daughter Edith)

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007

Name Eda Hyamovitch Death Age 0 Birth Date abt 1921 Registration Date Oct 1921 Registration QuarterOct-Nov-DecRegistration district Limehouse Inferred County LondonVolume1cPage347Household Members

1930 ~ 22A Finch St, Bishopsgate, London 

London, England, City Directories, 1736-1943

Name M. Hyamovitch Residence Date 1930 Street Address 22A, Finch St ElT N Bishopsgate  6376 Residence Place London, England Occupation Who. Cabnt. Mkr Household Members

The 1931 census for England and Wales was destroyed in a fire in 1942.

1934 ~ Medway Building (East Side) Stanfield Rd ~ Wood Bedstead mkr (this appears to be a business address for him)

UK, City and County Directories, 1766 – 1946

1938 ~ 34 A Med Way Rd (I am not sure if this is home or a business address)

UK, City and County Directories, 1766 – 1946

Name Marks Hyamovitch Publication Year 1938 Address 34 A Med way rd’ Bow E3 Residence Place London, England

1939 ~ 60 Poplar, London, England  

1939 England and Wales Register

Living with them was their son Samuel (36) also working as a cabinet maker like his father. Marks says ‘heavy’ but I could not read the word written for Samuel. The last name was crossed off and Hyam’s was written, the name most family members were using by now.

 

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Using google maps I tried to get an idea of the areas in London – almost in the middle of the map is the area known as Poplar and over to the left Limehouse

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In this 2nd view, almost dead center right, with the hand marker is Poplar, following to the left, before WhiteChapel area is Limehouse, then over to Marylebone on the left is also an area they lived as you will read below.

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There was no 1941 census due to WWII

1945 ~ Alien Orders, Certificate of Registration – Passport 

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From Polly’s record you can see the Tottenham St address, which is crossed off on Marks above; with the postal address of Flat 5 2/25 Nassau St.

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Here we are (below) at 24/25 Nassau St. in the Fitzrovia area which is just to the right of Marylebone. From what I can tell they always remained in the same ‘parallel’ moving to the right and left on the maps always north of the River Thames

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1954 ~ 4 Even Nos St Marylebone, Westminster 
London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name Marks Hyamovitch Electoral Date 1954 Street Address 4 Even Nos Ward or Division/Constituency St Marylebone County or BoroughWestminster, England

1956 ~ 5 Hat, St Marylebone, Westminster

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name Marks Hyamovitch Electoral Date 1956 Street Address 5 Hat Ward or Division/Constituency St MaryleboneCounty or Borough Westminster, England

1957 ~ 5 Florence St. Marylebone, Westminster

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Marks Hyamovitch Electoral Date 1957 Street Address 5 Florence Ward or Division/Constituency St Marylebone County or Borough Westminster, England

I found both of these homes listed as 5 Florence St. I believe it is the second picture with black door but not knowing the areas I can not be sure. Maybe an England cousin could chime in and help me out.

 

1958 ~ 5 Nassau Street, St Marylebone, Westminster

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name Marks Hyamovitch Electoral Date 1958 Street Address 5 Nassau Street
Ward or Division/Constituency St Marylebone County or Borough Westminster, England

1962 ~ Wandsworth

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007

Marks Hyamovitch Death Age 81 Birth Date abt 1881 Registration Date Oct 1962 Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district Wandsworth Inferred County London

The death certificate for Marks lists the 24/25 Nassau Rd address

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Posted in Ancestry, Genealogy, Gropper/Gruber, Haimowitz, Hyamovitch, Jewish History, Romania

Update on the search for our missing Haimowitz sister ~ a possible lead.

As I continue to work on my missing Haimowitz sister, I had sent away for and received the marriage certificate this past Saturday for a Meyer Gropper and Bessie Heimowitz. Leaving no stone unturned and always hoping for a clue, this certificate left me with more questions than answers but felling hopeful I may be onto something. I was hoping for a last name for Bessie’s mother on this certificate but as you can see, written for both mothers the maiden name is ‘non remember’

The question I was trying to answer with this marriage certificate was could Bessie Heimowitz be the missing sister of Samuel and Marks?

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Recapping what I know: the names of the parents of the ‘missing sister’ would be ‘Hyman’ Haimowitz (as written on brother Samuels SS application) Hyman could also be spelled Chaim/Haim or any additional spelling. As reported on Samuels death certificate by his daughter Fay Lazar, she reported Hyman’s name as Herman. As for Samuels mother her name was listed as Ida Greenblatt/Grunblat, as noted on the SS application and his death certificate.

Question: Could Ida have been known as Yettie or Yetta – we don’t know that.

I turned to Ancestry and familysearch in an attempt to locate anything else that might provide some answers, like a death certificate for this Bessie Heimowitz. Identifying the correct Bessie Heimowitz proved difficult due to duplicate names and similar dates. I found an additional record under the New York Marriage ‘License Index’ and on the  license application for date May 7, 1910, Bessie’s last name was written Himowitz. Going back to her brother Samuel’s WWI draft record his last name was written Himowitz. Also, Samuels last name on the 1905 census is spelled Heimowitz as on the spelling of this marriage certificate above. These kind of spelling mistakes are very common and prove both confusing and frustrating and are no real help most of the time nor does it connect them at this point.

So we have Bessie married to Meyer Gropper which led me to a SS Application and Claims Index  for a Bessie ‘Hymowitch’, clicking on it the spouse was a Meyer Gropper for child Hyman ‘Gruber’ not spelled Gropper – this led me to a WWII draft registration on the 16 Oct. 1940, for Hyman Gruber with Gruber crossed off and rewritten Gropper. Hyman’s birth date was Jan 22, 1914, born St Louis, MO. It listed his home address as 4112 1/2 Whittier Blvd., Los Angeles with his mother Bessie Gruber at the same address.

Bessie Gropper was clearly using the name of Gruber as well and by 1940 they had relocated to the west coast.

I had not been able to find a census record for Bessie and Meyer but here I had her and son in Los Angeles and then another hint from this brought me to a 1925 census in the Bronx. I found Bessie under the spelling of Gruber with her son Hyman and a daughter Yetta living with Morris Siegel, his wife Yetta, son Hyman 19 and daughter Sarah, 12. Bessie is listed as ‘sister’ and not as sister-in-law but I suspect that was a mistake and she was sister to Yetta, Morris Siegels wife. I don’t want go off on to big of a rabbit trail on this,, but I have found enough to make me pause and wonder if Bessie could be the missing sister.  This also would mean that there is possibly an additional sister for Samuel and Marks.

I was unable to find a marriage certificate for Morris Siegel to Yetta/Yettie Haimowitz or any alternative last name spellings but in doing so I was led to a 1910 census record for Morris and “Yettie”.  Morris and Yettie were living in New Jersey, Morris was a carpenter, 30 years old, immigration from Romania in 1890, wife Yettie was 28, born Romania, son also named Hyman was 4 and daughter ‘Ida’ was 2 (known as Sarah on 1925) I am suspecting they were married prior to immigrating here. Also note the name of daughter Ida was the name we are looking for for the mother of our missing sister and here is another son named the same as Samuel and Marks father. Coincidence? Very possibly

Records and dates were very spotting but from what I can piece together, Bessie and Meyer did not remain married. If I have followed the clues correctly Meyer remarried in 1935 a Goldie Weinstein. Together they had 2 children, Micheal and Marilyn Gropper.

I did find a death record for who I believe is this Bessie for Apr 1969, Yuba City, Ca. along with a death record for Hyman/Henry Gruber/Gropper born 22 Jan 1914, St Louis, Mo death May 1977 in Los Angeles  (parents Meyer Gropper and Bessie Hymowitch)