Courtesy of the Weiss Family Collection
Courtesy of the Weiss Family Collection
For Wordless Wednesday this week I shared the wedding photo of Jeanette (Jean) Weiss and Emanuel (Manny) Goldberg. Over the past few weeks I have shared a number of photo’s of Jean and today, I’d like to share a little more of her story. (all photos courtesy of the extended Weiss Family)
Known as Jean, she was born the Oct. 28, 1907 in Brooklyn New York to parents Phillip (Pacey) Weiss born 1885, Romania and Sarah Meiselman born 1889, Russia.
Pacey and Sarah had two other children, Rachel born in 1910, Brooklyn, followed by a son Seymour, in 1916, Chicago, Ill.
Rachel and Jeanette Weiss ~
Sadly, Rachel did not survive and passed away March 3, 1913 shortly after the family relocated from Brooklyn, New York to Chicago, Ill. She is buried at Forest Park.
Jean, mother Sarah and Seymour
Information pulled from the 1918 WWI draft registration for Jean’s father Pacey listed their home address of 830 14th St. Chicago and the family was still there in 1920. According to a Weiss family descendant, Jean was a classically trained pianist and a reference to being trained at the Juilliard School of Music was noted on a family members tree. Juilliard was founded in 1905 in New York City. I have not been able to confirm whether this is true and that she actually was trained at Juilliard in New York. There is a Juilliard at the School of Music in Chicago but the earliest date is 1932 that I could find for it being established. Corresponding with a granddaughter she shared she knew that she did not pursue a career in music and played only at home. In an attempt to find out more information, I checked newspaper.com and genealogy bank and found on genealogy bank for any mention of a recital. Instead I did locate this article for Jeans mother Sarah.
Chicago Daily News 6-16-1921
After finding this article, I shared it with the Weiss family descendants. Great grandson Brian Morris shared a message from an Aunt who shared this memory with him.
Remember a story told about how Grandpa W took matters into his own hands. The neighborhood they lived in was mixed with a lot of Italians. Grandpa went to see the Italian “boss” and wanted to know who broke in and robbed them and tied up Grandma. Well they were more time efficient than the cops. Grandpa then introduced himself to them with a baseball bat. Grandparents had a fruit store there and were well known and liked. No robberies after that. In those days nobody touched a woman. He went into a bar where they were drinking pulled them out and talked. Heard the story several times from my Dad. Grandpa was about 5’8”” max
That was quite an experience that Sarah went through. Whether in 1921 or today, how terrifying it must have been. The article certainly does provide some additional information and insight into there lives and I feel confident in speculating that Pacey and Sarah were certainly wealthy enough to provide a music education in New York for their daughter but whether that happened I do not know. $5000 back then had a value equivalent to $64,000. Quite a nice salary for a fruit peddler. I also wonder if son Seymour was at home and witnessed this. At the time he was only 5 years old. He may have started school by then or he could have still been home.
On the April 1930 census the family had relocated to 3148 Douglas Blvd. Pacey listed his occupation as proprietor of a fruit store and Jean (22) was working as a stenographer at a handkerchief company.
In just a few short months, on June 17, Jean married Emanual Edward Goldberg.
Emanuel (Manny) Edward was born on Feb. 15, 1905 in Chicago, Ill. to parents Harry Goldberg and Jeanette (Nettie) Denn.
On January 27, 1932 son Kalman Asrail was born followed a few years later by a daughter in 1938. By 1940 they had moved to 652 W. Buckingham Pl. into this lovely brick apartment building. (photo Google Earth) Manny’s occupation was listed as fur broker – own business.
Jean and Manny about 1954
That really brings me to the end of what I know about Jean and Manny.
Jean passed away on April 10, 1988 at 80 years old and Manny passed away on April 25, 1994 at 89 years old. They are buried at Memorial Park – Skokie, Ill.
May their memory be a blessing
Jeanette Weiss & Emanuel Goldberg ~ 1930
For Wordless Wednesday this week I posted another unmarked photo shared with me from the Weiss Family collection. It is a wonderful photo of children sitting/standing on the running board of a car.
My connection to the Weiss family is through marriage. Rosie was the sister to the wife of my 2x great Uncle, Marks Hyamovitch. This connection has led to some fun family history collaborations and picture sharing.
Here is a better photo of the car the children are sitting on and if anyone can ID the car for us that would be wonderful. As to who is driving and sitting in the back, it is still left to speculation.
Back to the photo above of the children. Marion Levin b. 1922, daughter of William Levin and Rosie Levin nee Weiss is the little girl sitting on the right end. I am dating this photo about 1927. And below is photo of Marion with her mother Rosie. (I have shared this photo before.) I suspect her two older brothers, Samuel b. 1910 and Norman b. 1919 are also in the photo.
For Wordless Wednesday I posted this picture below. It was from a grouping of unidentified family photo’s graciously shared by the Bass and Morris Families. The painstaking task of matching known photo’s with unknown has begun and I would like to venture a guess on this one.
My first thought studying this, was, could these be siblings? An older sister with a younger brother. The young man seems to be of mid teen age.
A photo that was identified was this fabulous family photo of Marks Hyamovitch and his wife Polly (Pauline) Weiss
Comparing the photo of Polly from the family portrait photo above to the younger woman, do you think these two woman could be the the same; could it be a younger Polly Weiss? I think possibly.
Polly was born in 1882 and she had a younger brother named Phillip, aka Pacey born in 1885.
Comparing the known photo of Pacey on his wedding day (1906) with the one of the younger man, do you think these two men the same? I think very likely.
The question is ~ could this be a picture of Polly Hyamovitch nee Weiss (1882) with her brother Phillip Weiss (1885)? I am strongly leaning to yes.
I would love to hear from you on this question
Samuel, Polly, Jack, Phillip, Hyman and Marks Hyamovitch abt 1906
(guess on Phillip and Hyman)
In my last posting I wrote about Phillip (Pacey) Weiss (1885 – 1961) who married Sarah Meiselman (1889 – 1965) November 4, 1909, Brooklyn, N.Y. They both had long lives passing within a few years of each other in Chicago, Ill. They were the parents of three children Jeanette (1907 – 1988) , Rachel (1910 – 1913) and Seymour Louis 1916 – 1998) .
Phillip was the brother to Pauline (Polly) and Rose/Rosie Weiss.
In this posting I am concentrating on Rosie Weiss born December 24, 1890, Romania to Samuel Leib Weiss and Mariam (Mary) Shwartz.
Rosie left Romania and immigrated to New York. I have not been able to find any immigration record for her but according to the NY 1910,1920, and 1930 census, they all report a 1903 immigration year which would make her about 13 years old when she traveled.
Rosie Levin nee Weiss
Rosie met William Levin who was born April 5, 1883, Russia. His parents were Abraham Levin and Anna Cohen. Using familysearch.com, I was able to confirm his parents names along with his death date of June 30, 1948, buried July 1.
On October 30, 1909, Rosie Weiss married William Levin in Brooklyn, New York.
Here is another more casual photo of Rosie and William. I love her little sassy pose with her hand behind her, casually off of her hip.
A google search for Washington Hall, 93 Thatford Ave led me to the Brooklyn Daily Eagle Almanac with a notation under Labor Unions and Organizations and under the sub heading of Textile and Clothing Trades was Washington Hall at the 93 address.
It most certainly had to have been a grand affair, with an evening wedding at 7pm, William in his top hat and tails and Rosie so beautiful in her gorgeous gown with cascading veil off of the fabulous head piece.
But more important to note is Mrs. Mary Weiss, mother of Rosie on the wedding invitation. This certainly indicates her husband Samuel Leib Weiss was deceased and that she was present in New York at the time of her daughters wedding. Family states that Rosie traveled here with her mother. I have not been able to confirm this.
A hint on the invitation was the brides address listed at 46 Lynch St. I did a quick check for the address but unfortunately the building has been torn down. If Mary was truly here perhaps Rosie was living with her mother at this address. I still have not been able to find any record for Mary/Miriam living here, nor have I been able to find where she is buried. Her death date is March 6, 1921 and in my previous post I had shared her gravestone photo. The question as to who is standing by the grave is still in question. It was shared with us by the great granddaughter of Phillip Weiss and Sarah Meiselman. At this time the my thoughts are that this is Rosie by her mothers grave.
Continuing with the William and Rosie, their first home was at 61 Hopkins Street, Brooklyn, NY. The 1910 census has William (26) working as a house painter. He had arrived in 1890 and it says he was naturalized. Rosie was listed as 23, and living with them was lodger, Mamie Portland (30), working as a laundress in a laundry. Rosie’s age seems to be an error as a birth year of 1890 made her 19 when married and 20 in 1910.
On August 25, 1910 William and Rosie welcomed their first son Samuel.
I could not locate the family in the 1915 census but located William’s WWI 1918 draft registration. William’s birth date is recorded as April 5, 1883, Rose is listed as his wife and they were living at 339 Central Ave., Brooklyn. His employer was M. Kamenstein @ 135 Pearl St. Brooklyn. Also noted on this record is that William was naturalized on his fathers papers.
WWI Draft Registration William Levin
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918AuthorAncestry.com
A year later in 1919 William and Rosie welcomed their second son Norman on April 20th.
Still working as a house painter, William moved his family to 2860 West Sixth Street, they were renting. Interesting on this census was that Rosie was listed as naturalized . Does this mean it was on her own account since William was on his fathers papers, as seen on the WWI document. I could not locate her naturalization record under Rose or Rosie Weiss or Levin.
I do believe I located the ‘Declaration Of Intention’ papers for William. I am not sure what to make of the fact the WWI record said he was under his fathers papers, when this appears to be his record. Lots of interesting information on this but mistakes too. The date on this 1906. His age says 21, with an 1889 birth year. If that were so, it should be 1885. The birth information conflicts with the WWI record but the fact it says his occupation was painter led me to believe this was his record. (I could be wrong) It says he was born in Minsk and last know residence was Ekateriuoslaw, Russia which today is the Ukraine. You can google this read the history. I love that this record has his signature.
Declaration Of Intention
New York, State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1794-1929 Ancestry.com
In 1922 they welcomed their 3rd and last child, a daughter named Marion/Marian and by 1925 they had moved again. Located on the 1925 census under the spelling of Levine, they were now at 2910 W. 36th St between Surf and Mermaid. William’s occupation was listed as tailor which I am sure was a mistake as the 1930 census had him as a painter again. I am sure this was the correct family as all three children were listed, Samuel, Norman and Marion.
Willam with Marion
The 1930 census showed another move to 2917 W. 20th Street. (In my research I have come across many moves for families turning these early years but for some reason this time I am feeling like they really bounced around quite a bit and I can’t help but wonder why) William (44) was renting the place for $60. Under attended school, it says no and yes to able to read and write. Under language, yiddish and yes to speaking English. Under occupation it said painter but this time “own” Under Veteran it said no, so he must not have served in WWI, only registered. Samuel (20) was still at home and working as a painter with Norman (11) and Marion (7)
From the 1940 census William (56) and Rosie (50) had moved his family once again. The census notes home in 1935 which showed they had moved to the 2868 W. 29th St. address by ’35. Both Samuel (29) and Norman (20) were working as house painters along with their father. Marion (17) was still home.
Marion and Mom Rosie
William and Rosie Levin
If you look very carefully into the car you will see two other people, a child in the middle with a man next to him.
Rosie Levin passed away on February 17, 1946 at the age of 55.
William made one more move that I confirmed with the death information from familysearch.com. It lists his address at the time of death as 2824 W. 30th St. Brooklyn.
William passed away on June 30, 1948. Both are buried at Mount Hebron Cemetery in Queens, New York. A check of the grave sites show that they are buried next each other. (R 81-5-6-17 and W 81-5-6-20) The photo is from FindAGrave.
* A check for Rosie’s mother Mariam Weiss yield no record for her at Mount Hebron with her daughter and son-in-law.
Thank you to the Brian Morris and Bass families for so graciously sharing their amazing family photos.
Pauline (Polly) Hyamovitch nee Weiss was the wife of my 2x great Uncle, Marks Hyamovitch, brother to my great grandfather Samuel Haimowitz.
Her parents were Samuel (Shmuel) Leib Weiss and Mary (Miriam) Shwartz
I have written quite a bit about Polly and Marks family in the last year or so. I have been part of a continuing email share between cousin’s both in the US and England, corresponding on this Weiss family branch. This will be one of my first attempts at documenting their story.
Believed to be a photo of Samuel (Shmuel) Leib Weiss and Mary (Mariam) Shwartz (Shwarz or Sch) they were the parents of Polly, Phillip, and Rose/Rosie
Photo Curtesy of Brian Morris & Family
A recent photo confirmed and gave us the exact date of death for Mariam who passed 6 March 1921 and helped confirm her year of birth of 1853. Her place of death has still not been determined. It is believed she died in Brooklyn, New York where she was living by her daughter. I have not been able to find any census records for her, nor a record for her death using both Ancestry and Familysearch as well as checking Newspapers.com and Genealogybank. An exhaustive search of all cemeteries has not been done.
Believed to be daughter Rose standing by her mother’s grave; according to one family member named Marie, she has shared that Mariam went to America with her daughter Rose. Also note spelling of Mariam on the gravestone which I feel is her correct spelling as opposed to Miriam and perhaps a clue to the reason she went by Mary.
Samuel and Mary’s children were Polly Weiss b. 1882, Romania, Philip Weiss b. 18 Apr. 1885, Romania, and Rose b. 24 Dec., 1890, Romania. (Another researcher of this family has included a son named Michael with no supporting evidence but I wanted to include his name for this posting)
Polly and her husband Marks Hyamovitch immigrated from Romania to England in 1900 however siblings Phillip and Rose both immigrated to the United States. It is their stories I would like to concentrate on.
Philip Weiss also known as Pacey, immigrated to New York arriving on Sept. 30, 1902 aboard the La Gascogne. He was 18 years old and traveling under his Hebrew name of I/Edel Pesech/esach Weiss.
On the passenger record found on Ancestry, I noticed that below Idel (Philip) was ‘Schwarz, Beile’, the maiden name of his mother Mary (we are spelling Shwartz) Could they be traveling together and be related? In the cut outs from the passenger list below, the 2nd photo shows who they were traveling too. Philip to his Uncle M. Schwarz, I think that is 610 Delancy St. and Beile is going to her brother (can’t read) c/o Moish (?) Moses (?) Schwarz 58 Allen St. The question here is who is this Beile? a cousin? She would not be Philips sister Rose because Rose was 5 years younger than him.
Is Phillip traveling to the brother of his mother Mary (Mariam) adding another clue into the Shwartz family.
Philip married a few years after arriving to Sarah Meiselman (1889) daughter of Kalman Meiselman and Celia Eisenblat. They were married on November 4, 1906. Sarah was 17 and Philip 21. (Wedding and subsequent photo’s shared with permission by the original posters on Ancestry)
Their first child was a daughter, Jeanette (Jean) b. 29 Oct. 1907, N.Y.
followed by Rachel on May 31, 1910, Brooklyn, N.Y.. Sadly Rachel passed away 3 short years later on Mar 3, 1913 in Chicago, Ill.
Death Certificate Rachel Weiss
This document gives a great clue to as when the family left Brooklyn, N.Y. and relocated to Chicago, Ill. It indicates Rachel had only been a resident for 6 months which would have the family moving about Oct. 1912.
As the family settled into their new lives in Chicago, son Seymour Louis was born Apr. 18, 1916.
Phillip registered for the WWI draft on September 12, 1918. His address is listed as 830 W. 14th St. He listed his occupation as peddler – for self.
Ancestry.com World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
By 1920 census they were still living at the 830 W. 14th St. address and Philip noted his occupation now as ‘fruit’ peddler. I could not find any records to confirm whether he actually served in the military.
In 1921 his Mother Mary passed leaving me to wonder if, in fact she was living in Brooklyn. Would Phillip have returned to N.Y. to attend the funeral or a year later for the unveiling of her headstone? Would he have been able to afford this on a fruit peddlers salary?
Written as “Edel Paskel (Phillip Weiss)” Phillip naturalized on June 18, 1925
Ancestry.com U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
1930 saw a change of address with the family living now at 3148 Douglas Blvd, Chicago. Phillip (48) listed his occupation as proprietor fruit store. It was nice to see that he had moved from peddler to actually having a fruit store. Daughter Jeanette (22) was now working as a stenographer in a handkerchief company. Sarah (42) was home along with Seymour (14). But also living at the 3148 Douglas address was Sedelle Weiss (25) as head, working as a typist in a factory, listed as mother to head was a Rose Weiss (45) widow, and living with them was boarder Meyer Eckskan (30) proprietor dry good store. (this opens another rabbit hole which I am not ready to go down)
On June 17, 1930 Jeanette married Emanuel (Manny) Goldberg in Chicago. They would go on to have 2 children.
March 24, 1937 Seymour married Celia Toby Horow/vitz also in Chicago and they too had two children.
By 1940 both of Phillip and Sarah’s children had married and they we’re now living on their own at 3426 Douglas. Both of them were working, Philip as a salesman and Sarah as a saleslady. It was impossible to decipher what industry from the census, but by then they were grandparents to 2 children born to Jeanette and Manny.
WWII Draft registration Phillip Weiss April 27, 1942
Ancestry.com U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
The WWII draft registration reveals a few things. We have his signature along with how he is spelling his first name, with 2 L’s. He was quite short at 5’2″ and stocky at 192lbs and he is in business, his own, selling handkerchiefs now. If that seems familiar, back in 1930, his daughter Jeanette was working as a stenographer in a handkerchief company.
Phillip passed away on August 3, 1961 and Sarah followed on December 27, 1965.
Death Certificate Phillip Weiss
Both Phillip and Sarah are buried at the Jewish Roman Section of the Waldheim Cemetery Forest Park, Ill. (I did check Waldheim for mother Mariam but she was not there)
In the next posting I will share what I know about Phillip’s sister Rose Levin nee Weiss.
Before I close I would like to add one more record for Mariam Weiss. A possible immigration record for her. First I located on Ancestry a passenger list for detained passengers traveling on the SS Batavia arriving on November 18, 1905. Spelled Mariem Weiss, 43 years of age, reason for detention simply states Dr. Memo with no details. Not able to find anything else for her I went over to Ellis Island to search the records there.
There I found, SS Batavia arriving the same date, transcribed as Marpin for Mariam Weiss age 50 traveling to her husband Libe Weiss in Chicago, Ill. and next to her name is written Dr. Memo: Senility. traveling with her was a male, 9 years, Yankel possibly Shermann (?) He is traveling to his Uncle but what is really interesting is that also noted is the name Malke Schwarz, c/o above, which would be Libe Weiss
At this point I am not quite sure what to make of this. Is this the right family? The year was 1905, and we know Phillip did not move to Chicago until 1913. But had there been this Chicago connection prior which brought him there? I do not have immigration records for daughter Rose, who Mariam was supposedly traveling to or with. The 1910 census says that daughter Rose arrived in 1903. This brings up a lot of possibilities. The possibility of the family being in Chicago and then going back to New York. The possibility that Samuel Lieb died in Chicago, and then widowed Mariam went to N.Y. where daughter Rose was which would explain only Mariam’s name on the Rose’s wedding invitation (which I will share/explore in the next post) There is quite a lot to still be discovered, still a lot of questions and lots of unknowns.